Hello all,
I added a comment on one of the threads that I thought this group could develop into a writing support group along the way. A few have endorsed that notion. There are some phenomenal writers among us and probably a few others who are great writers that we haven't heard much from yet. The range and quality of the writing blows my mind. It far exceeds anything I've seen from people who are not professional writers. It exceeds much of what I've seen from professionals too!
I don't know anything about writer's groups, so I don't feel qualified to suggest how that might come about. Instead, I'll start the conversation with a description of my writing experience.
I've wanted to write creatively for a long time, but never got around to it. The only writing I did consistently was long letters to friends and to people I dated online. About a year ago, I started work on my first novel. It's a little hard to describe. It falls into the romantic comedy genre but it's not at all a typical example. I couldn't give it a classic happy ending in good conscience.
As I was writing it, I realized something important. This was not a novel - it was a screenplay. I had little patience for descriptions. The writing felt too technical to hold a reader's interest. But the dialog felt natural and I liked how the character development played out. My writing seemed visual. Much to my relief, a screenplay is a great deal shorter than a novel.
I finished the story in prose and converted it to screenplay format. I then rewrote it about five times, partly to trim it to the maximum allowed length. I finished it at the end of last year. I managed to do this while working full time because I enjoyed the experience of writing so much.
This year, I started two other screenplays in other genres. I found these much harder to complete. I started another romantic comedy and finished it in no time. I felt like I may have found my niche. This second screenplay was much more conventional than my first. I wrote it in part because I thought that would make it more sellable. Most romantic comedies I see are pretty conventional.
Last June, I attended something called The Great American Pitchfest in L.A. This is a day of conferences on all things screenwriting and then a day for the pitchfest itself. That was a strange and interesting experience. Each participant waited in line for one of about 120 agents, producers and managers. When it's your turn and the bell rings, you get exactly five minutes to sell them on your movie. I had two movies to sell, so I had to talk very fast. I now know far more about the movie business as a result of that weekend than I did before it.
In the present economy romantic comedies are big right now. To my surprise, most of the people I pitched to were far more interested in my unconventional script. To my dismay, I learned that there were no less than four movies in various stages of production using a theme that I assumed was original. Even though people liked it, no one will touch this script for some years to come. I was devastated. I haven't done any screenwriting since.
Writing on the boards and now on this blog has started up the creative juices again. I'm learning far more about romance and relationships from all of you than I imagined possible. I hope to put this new-found understanding of human nature into practice in my writing but more so in my personal life. And I promise not to use in a screenplay any personal information that people reveal without their permission! Your friendship is much more important to me than any screenplays I might write.
What experiences with writing and writing groups do others have?
Jim
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Well that is so cool and very very interesting. I can only imagine with the imagination and humour that abounds here something might actually happen -- who knows. I am a great believer in things happening for a purpose. As I mentioned briefly I would love to put down all my adventures in online dating - I think back and smile and shudder. But its all what shaped me into the person I am today. Not to say too much negative about my late husband but he did surpress me for most of my life. I remember once I was going for a job interview (back in the early 90's) and his advice to me was to NOT be myself. He thought my sense of humour wasn't always easy for people to understand. Turns out I usually didn't listen to him and this one particular interview I was myself even more than usual - I got the job and have loved it for 15 years.
ReplyDeleteAnyway back to writers, I profess to have little or no writing skill -- I always hated English classes - loved reading hated writing. I prefer the Math's (closet geek myself). In my own private screenplay I put down all my ideas and have someone like Marianna brighten it up into something that people would enjoy reading. I have an aunt that is a published author - we call her the family wordologist - again I didn't inherit her writing genes. I believe I have gotten better but what I read here and the imagination is absolutely awe inspiring.
Also if we do come up with something the latest Rom Com king is a sort of member of our family. OK he and my husband share the same auntie -- talking about Canadian Ryan Reynolds - ya know Scarlett's husband LOL. I can get Anutie S to put in a good word if needed.
I do not consider myself a good writer, nor do I believe I express my beliefs or emotions well when writing. My extensive writing is in the business environment, which is very dry, factual, numbers-oriented and succinct. So you won't see me write much. I'll just comment from time to time, but I must say that I admire all of you who write so well. That is the main reason I'm here.
ReplyDeleteSheri
(hunters)
Dear Joanne,
ReplyDeleteI must take exception to one thing you wrote. You say that you have little or no writing skills and that simply is not true. You express yourself very well indeed. And I wouldn’t say that just to make you feel better; I don't do such things. Further, I don't believe that people learn to write in English classes. They often learn to hate writing in English classes. People learn to write by reading great literature. So you are already ahead of the game.
I've never been in a writer's group so I don't know how they work. I crave critique but only from people whose opinions I respect. Certainly not from strangers, even experts. At the conference I mentioned, one such expert didn't like the ending to my unconventional screenplay. She suggested an alternate ending that I felt was ludicrous! Even if I tried to write that ending, it would fall flat because I didn't believe in it. The people on this blog are both insightful and very caring. I don't think either of us could hope for better people to look to for support.
It is pretty wild that you're husband is related to Ryan Reynolds! I haven't gotten around to responding to your post about favorite romantic comedies (not one to compile easily). I was planning to include as an honorable mention the movie Definitely, Maybe. While I wouldn't say it was one of my favorite romantic comedies, it's very good. It's my favorite Ryan Reynolds movie – he's excellent in this one. It also introduced me to my newest heartthrob, Isla Fisher. I loved the writing because it is so outside the norm. I regret that it appears to have passed by unnoticed. I don't recall even hearing about it when it was in the theaters.
Scarlett deserves a post of her very own. She captured my heart with Lost in Translation and there was no turning back after that. When she starred with my current favorite Penelope Cruz in Vicky Christina Barcelona, it was almost too much for me. Almost.
Thanks for the offer to put in a good word. I'll try to see if I can make it by my own merit. However, after I put in another year or two in high tech, I may just eat my words.
Jim
Hi Sheri,
ReplyDeleteI've had plenty of experience with business writing myself, especially technical documentation and training. It's an art unto itself. I've not met many people who do this well. If anything, it's just as hard to do as to write creatively. I haven't read many of your postings but I feel certain that you express yourself better than you say.
I hope I didn't sound like I want to turn this group into a writer's group. I only see that possibility as a small part of a much grander whole. I'm sure there are many other directions this group can take as well. Writing happens to be one of my passions.
Jim
Hey there, Sheri,
ReplyDeleteI personally just want to discuss love, love, love, love, love, in the words of someone we all know...there is so much fascination, from my point of view, in how the media think the audience wants to see love portrayed, how they ultimately portray it, and then how we see it, and what we relate it to in our minds and hearts.
There is so much to talk about that we could go on for the rest of our lifetimes and still not be close to done. The world has been discussing this in one form or another since the beginning of time.
That said, I think every single member of this blog is at the very least, a very good writer. I have been struck by the depth, heart and quality of the writing here even more than on the B boards. Yes, everyone here was writing wonderfully there, but it was to some degree diluted by all the inane, or mean, or simple 2 word comments. Going through everything written here in just 5 days took me at least 1/2 of today! It is so rich with heartfelt observations and genuine caring.
If and when some members want to pursue a writers group, it will take on a life of its own, apart from what we are doing here.
I for one, have always enjoyed your posts on the boards, for the very reason that they are so well thought out, concise, and organized. Don't forget Ernest Hemingway!
Hugs,
Nadya
Jim,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, how cool is it that you took the time to write screenplays and try to sell them to Hollywood! That's fantastic! And, don't be discouraged because I'm sure that you're blood, sweat and tears will pay off. Just keep plugging away.
It's funny because I've often thought of writing a novel about some of my bizarre life experiences - some sad, some happy, but mostly, I'm just a big dork and strange things happen to me. I just haven't sat down and actually started writing it.
The other thing that I always thought I might be good at is being a comedy writer for a sitcom or Saturday Night Live or something because that's just how my brain works. I have this strange ability to tie things together and make them funny. If you read any of my posts on the board, you may have noticed that. The thing is, I do it so quickly that I don't even have to think about it. Many of my friends tell me I should be a stand up comedian.
So, I've really thought about this a lot and would love to be part of something with a group. It would be a great way to get started. Thanks for sharing the idea with us!
Kelly
Papa Jim~
ReplyDeleteTotally dig your writing background. I think I'd love to read your screenplay; even better, I'd love to see it on the big screen; actually, the premiere would be another good reason for us BBBers to convene.
As far as my writing background, I've never received formalized creative writing instruction. I credit any skill I may have to my phenomenal teachers and education. Where craft enters the game, I'd have to attribute it to my passion for words. They just plain fascinate me, all those layers of meanings hidden within symbols. I've written since I was 12, first rhyming couplets, later, long pieces of prose. Before that and throughout my life, I've buried my nose in books, lost in magical worlds and scenes and love. Just like words, the texture of love fascinated me at a young age. Neither has ever left me.
I know some about writing seminars (college) and writing workshops (mentor and teaching days).
I'm hungry to create.
Just now a rush of gratitude filled me for you and Nadya. Great things will come of this, I trust.
Leen
Sheri you said
ReplyDelete"I do not consider myself a good writer, nor do I believe I express my beliefs or emotions well when writing"
Like Jim said to me - have to disagree - I always loved reading your thoughts.
Jim you said
"Further, I don't believe that people learn to write in English classes. They often learn to hate writing in English classes. People learn to write by reading great literature. So you are already ahead of the game."
I appreciate your words -- I guess what I was trying to say (badly) is that I write like I speak and the ability to pretty it up for a "paying" audience is just out of my grasp. I do appreciate a good piece of literature but I am lean more to the modern writers - love someone that can take my breath away with a description of a place or event. I learned a long time ago on message boards that if I wrote from my heart - and basically pretended that my reader was just sitting across from me sharing a pot of tea I can get my point across fairly well. So yes I accept that my writing skills albiet not great for a paying audience is not bad for forums.
I think with this group we are all of the same mind that if we can't say something nice we remain silent. Its just not in me to call someone out - -that happened to me years ago when I was still in the starting to heal stage of my grief. I turned to what I thought was a kind and supportive group with a question about dating and how to handle things with my son. Someone actually typed outloud (is that possible) did I still breastfeed my 20 something son. Talk about a cyber slap in the face. Since then I have learned I won't start a fight nor will acknowledge the sad soul that feels the need to be rude and mean.
Hmm where was I going with this? I only have a few more minutes on this computer before the heat becomes too intense.
The more I think about it the more I believe with the "polished" and raw writing talent that has just begun to gather here something really wonderful will happen - its up to us.
Last note to Leen you said
"I'm hungry to create. "
I suggest you create your own blog and just start writing -- cruise around the rest of the blog world and you will be amazed at the talent that is out there - and so many people are hungry to follow a talented writer. I have some blogs that I can hardly wait to see their latest installment -- even if its just an essay on washing the dog - I hunger for their words.
Hi Kelly,
ReplyDeleteYou'll find this funny: On Friday night, Nadya was bravely surfing the B-Board looking for some of our long-lost colleagues (I've given it up for dead). She stumbled onto your infamous party thread. Her frequent laughing got my attention so I read it too. She declared that you and Beckworth should be writers for a sitcom. I'm not making this up. She said you two are incredibly funny and fast on your feet. It's true. The postings between you two happened minutes apart and each was a hilarious turn on the line the other fed you. I told Nadya that I thought you two were better than typical sitcom writers. I said that you guys would be more suited to writing for SNL during its early heyday.
Clearly, we agree with your assessment of yourself. I don't know much about writing comedy but I know what I like. You are very funny. I don't know how you feel about doing standup; bear in mind that most of the big names don't write their own material. So another option is to be a joke writer for others. I have no idea how one breaks into these kinds of jobs. I doubt it's easy.
Another alternative is to be a "situational consultant" on the next Bachelor show. They could use more comedy in this series. If you don't mind working 12 to 18 hour days for minimum pay making ordinary people look really foolish, it's a perfect job!
We look forward to your wonderful sense of humor!
Jim
Jim,
ReplyDeleteI am excited about having a writer's group. I have not been a part of one, but I do love writing. Most of the people on here can attest to my love of writing. I have been writing for more than 30 years. I, for the most part, do try and keep humor a big part of my prose. I feel that if I can make the reader laugh then they might continue to read more.
I too have started the "great american novel". Mine is almost autobiographical. Basically it's a story of a family torn apart by a matriarchal character, but when she ends up on life support, and a choice has to be made of wheteher to carry on that support or not. There are flashbacks of all the sadness caused ,and then the question of theological beliefs. You would think that this kind of a story wouldn't be comical. But to paraphrase one of my favorite movie characters, "laughter through tears is one of my favortie emotions."
I think with all the talent on here it would be a great option. Please count me in if this is a way everyone wants to go.
Melanie
Well Leen, if one of my screenplays ever becomes a movie, all of you are invited to the premiere! I should write "The Reid Rosenthal Story". That would make it much easier for me to arrange an introduction between the two of you.
ReplyDeleteAs screenplays go, perhaps 1 in 200 screenplays will get optioned. An option is a small fee paid to the writer that gives someone exclusive rights to the screenplay for an allotted time. Maybe 1 in 5 to 10 options is purchased outright. That is a large sum that gives the owner permanent rights to the screenplay. Once that happens, the writer is completely out of the picture. They can convert a family movie into an R-rated one and there is nothing the writer can do. Once a script is purchased there is maybe a 1 in 5 chance it will make it to the screen.
Given the math, the odds of going from screenplay to movie are pretty small. I think I'm much better than most writers out there. Everyone and her brother think they can write and try their hand at this. They see lousy movies and assume they can do at least as well. But no lousy movies are written by first time writers.
At the conference, at least 90% of the attendees had only one screenplay. Producers don't want to work with one-offs. The whole process is just as grueling for them as for the screenwriters. Most don't take writers seriously until they have 3 to 5 completed screenplays. Writers need to demonstrate that they are in it for the long haul. I have every intention of writing more scripts so I think my chances shoot up after I finish them.
One more advantage I have is that I want to write romantic comedies. Almost no one are writing these and people are desperate to see them. Most of the writers I met wrote their life's story (they are automatically one-offs) or they wrote big budget sci fi, action or fantasy movies. None of those scripts will ever be purchased unless they are exceptional, and even then the chances are slim.
I'll have Nadya e-mail you copies of my two scripts. I'd be very interested in your impressions.
As for you, Lean my child. Your writing has so much heart and magic that it regularly brings me to tears. Such a gift you have! I can't say where that talent might lead. I expect that between us all we can help you find an outlet that befits your talents. Since you know something of writing groups, perhaps you can suggest how we might set one up without disturbing the flow of the many wonderful postings we have here.
We hunger for your creations.
Papa Jim
Hi Joanne,
ReplyDeleteYour comments intrigue me. It brings up an important question about writing: what is good enough and am I good enough? How does one know that being a successful writer is "out of my grasp"? Do you know that really? Perhaps you cannot yet write like those you admire, but you already write in a way that we admire. I'm not convinced that you need to have someone "pretty up" your writing. I think that each of us who aspires to write needs to find our unique voice and learn to strengthen that voice. I think that those among us who are interested in a writer's group can help with that process.
I forgot to mention yesterday that my first screenplay was not the first thing I wrote last year. I started a novel and lost interest. It didn't seem very interesting to me. It foreshadowed some advice that I heard at the screenwriters' conference this year: don't try to sell a script for a movie that you wouldn't spend $12 to see yourself. I was discouraged but I knew I had reached my limit on that piece.
When I started my second novel, things looked better but I was not satisfied. I really liked the story and yet it just didn't seem to be working out the way I hoped. My major breakthrough was when I realized that I was much better as a screenwriter than as a novelist. Things started to fall into place. I was better able to see my strengths and weaknesses and how these favored one medium over others.
My point in saying all this is that there probably is one or more media where your strengths fit well besides public forums. It's worth exploring.
Jim
Hi Melanie,
ReplyDeleteI look forward to reading more from you on this blog. I was a late entry on the board and I didn't follow many threads. I hope one day to learn how you can take such a serious subject and approach it with humor. Your description of your novel certainly piqued my interest.
If and when we create a writer's group, we'll certainly include you. I don't think everyone among this group wants to be part of a writer's group. I imagine the writer's group as a parallel entity that functions alongside of this one. I'm open to hear ideas about how that might work from anyone who is interested.
Jim
Jim,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comment. I had for far too long been a glass half empty kind of person. When I finally sat down I figured that most people have problems, and want to laugh more than cry. That is why I now try to approach everything with humor.
I enjoyed reading your posts on Marianna's thread. It was so nice to read a man's point of view. My husband of twenty years has been kind enough to sit through the show with me and voice his opinion. However he has no want to post on the board. I utilized some of his humor(he is far funnier than I)in my posts. I think men can see past all the emotion and see the actuality. It was and is refreshing.
I don't know anything about setting up a writer's group. It shouldn't be too difficult. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
Melanie
Hey everybody!
ReplyDeleteI'm so looking forward to being a part of this writers' group and to seeing some of your efforts.
Jim, I'd love it if you would also e-mail me your work.
In the meantime, combining our love of writing with the relationship theme of this group blog, I have started to compose, in segments, the story of my relationships from age 18 to 24. Should I post them here? What do you think? (I have only just started to write them). If people are interested, I will, but only if I'm not the only one doing it.
M.
Papa Jim~
ReplyDeleteI got the screenplays! Yesssss. They'll keep me riveted til 7am's run. Gracias to you and Nadya.
M~
Maybe start a new thread about our loves stories to gauge opinions. I also feel that your own reflection would just prompt others to follow. You're a born leader.
Much love,
Leen
M – I sent you copies of the two screenplays. Leen – If you want to comment, you can mail me directly to my gmail account: atalloakBB@gmail.com. I forgot to ask Nadya if she included that. I hope you both enjoy them. At least, I hope you don't cringe with embarrassment!
ReplyDeleteI think it's a great idea for us to write about our relationships! I think it's appropriate to do so here in another post. I'm afraid my writing style will tend toward the clinical rather than romantic. It should still inspire conversations about relationships.
I also think we should form the writer's group elsewhere, offline or in another blog that's not open to the public at large. Strangely, I feel less shy talking about my past than exposing my fiction to people I don't know.
Since I just recently set up this blog, the details of how to do it are fresh in my mind. If you all would like, I can set up a writer's blog for whomever in this forum would like to join. That way give and take specifically related to writing pieces can be expressed freely.
ReplyDeleteI would recommend a blog rather than individual emailing, because that would be the only way to set up a discussion where everyone can brainstorm together, and bounce ideas off of each other. For complete privacy, you would form a closed circle consisting only of writer members having access to the site.
I have been a member of a few different writing groups, so I can help you all out there with suggestions for how to structure it. There are many ways to do it, some of which work well and others, not so well, in my opinion.
I imagine there would be some crossover with this blog in discussions related to romantic pieces. Certainly anyone who wanted to post pieces related to romance, real or fictional in this blog would be very, very welcome to do so. We all want to read it! lol
So let me know if you'd like me to set up a blog devoted to discussion and support for each other's writings. I will probably not be able to set it up till after Aug. 15 when I return from my trip...but I might be able to get to it earlier.
Also, I would be looking for suggestions for what to call the website, if you want to go ahead with it. I have a couple of suggestions right of the top of my head: Portrayals Writer's Group or BBB Writer's Group :-). Let me know what you'd all like to do.
Hugs,
Nadya
Nadya~
ReplyDeleteAnother born leader! Thanks so much for your willingness to spearhead our online efforts. Yes! Yes! A closed writer's workshop. Loves it! Count me in!
Weird to think that The Bachelorette has given so many gifts to us. Should I write Fleiss a "thank you" note? ;)
Off to work.
Leen
P.S. Papa, I'm slowly reading through them both. So far I just love 'em. Tonight's my last night shift for a bit, so I'll be all of 'em like Jill and Ed.
Oh where to begin?! You are all great writers and have inspired me so much already. Like Joanne, I believe in things happening for a reason and I am marveling at the fact that I am here with you all.
ReplyDeleteJim - what a great way to get us started. Thank you for sharing your writing history. You are a real writer already. Like you, I haven't had a chance to compile my movie list, but I must thank you for turning me on to Lost in Austen. I watched it on Friday night and absolutely loved every minute of it. I have it rented for a week and can't wait to watch it all again. Another on the Pride and Prejudice theme is Bride and Prejudice. A Bollywood style contemporary adaption by the director of Bend it Like Beckham. If you like exotic beauties, I know you'll love this one. Another favorite is Enchanted April.
Joanne - I would LOVE to read some of your online dating adventures. It's a topic I'm all too familiar with. The shuddering and the horror. Perhaps we can co-write a novel and become rich and famous!! :)
And whatdayamean you have no writing skill?? I am just shaking my head. Forget that. I think you have already been straightened out about that now.
Kelly - I only saw a little of your satire on the BB. Were you part of the Bend and Fold, jugotini group? I followed a bit of that late one night and was awe struck at how clever and quick it was. I would love to see more of your humor or your serious side. I've so enjoyed your posts about the psychology of the Bach Characters - are you in some kind of counseling type work?
Nadya - you just make me smile. It's so gratifying to read what you write, because we seem to think so much alike. I just agree with everything you say and couldn't put it any better. I agree we might want to separate out a writing group on another blog. You have already done us such a great favor in creating this blog, thanks so much for volunteering for more work!
Leen - Your writing is awesome! "Texture of love" - sigh. Can't wait to see more of anything you write.
Marianna - I want to see your relationship stories badly! But I can't promise to share my entire dating history. It's been running since 1975 or so - good grief! Would you cough up, if I attempt some of my online dating adventures, along with Joanne perhaps? I know everyone here would relish the chance to read anything you write. You are our reason for being!
So now for my writing background:
ReplyDeleteI started out at university to become an English teacher. I wanted to share my love of reading with young people. I hated being in school at that time, except for the English Lit classes. I was 18 and in hindsight I should have taken time off after high school and gone traveling. Done the Grand Tour. I was never the backpack and hostel type, so I dreamed that I'd see Europe on my honeymoon someday. Well, we know why I still haven't been there.
Anyway, I quit university and tried to figure out what I wanted to do next. In all honesty, all I really wanted was to find Prince Charming and move into a castle and have a family. I ended up doing a secretarial course and getting a job with VIA Rail. I became a ticket agent and loved meeting people from around the world. Also developed a love for trains. I have done that trip that Jillian was on and it truly is spectacular. I would highly recommend it! I also met a man at work, and was involved with him for 6 years. The job ended, the relationship ended and I decided there was no such thing as Prince Charming and I better go back to school and find a career that would allow me to support myself.
I looked for something that would allow me to use my writing skills. After a night class in journalism, I realized that I didn't want the lifestyle of a journalist and couldn't live for the news. I also took a couple of creative writing classes during this period. Eventually I did a diploma in Public Relations and have worked in corporate communications and marketing/advertising until the last three years. I wrote articles for a local parenting publication that I helped found and all kinds of employee newsletter articles, brochures, etc.
I have been an avid journal keeper for about as long as I can remember, starting with the blue velvet, locking diary I got one Xmas at about age 12. I usually write in the morning, but lately I haven't been talking to myself so much - I've been distracted by all of you!!!
I always thought that one day I'd take those journals and write a novel. Of course it would be a romance. Maybe I am waiting for the happy ending.
So I would love to have a safe place to explore and share and I am so excited about it. My only fear is the amount of time it will need. It takes me ages just to compose these posts and I've pretty much given up trying to edit as I go. I am job hunting currently and should be focused on that more. I have recently taken up oil painting and find that's taken a back burner too. Arrgh! Just not enough time - I'll have to learn to write faster.
Sorry for such a long post. I don't know how else to explain my writing history.
Ann
Hi Ann,
ReplyDeleteWelcome to our group of budding writers! It really is exciting, isn't it? Thanks for sharing your writing history with us. As you transform your life into a romantic novel, please don't wait for the happy ending to happen to you. Write in your own happy ending both in the novel and in your life!
I understand what you mean about how much time all of this takes. But we are all writing and we're interacting with each other and with each other's writing. I'm sure this is good for all of us, some of us as writers and all of us as people and as friends. I think this will be a very good experience for all of us.
I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed "Lost in Austen". Nadya and I rented Bride and Prejudice. Indeed, Aishwarya Rai has an otherworldly beauty. I've followed her career for years. Mr. Khali was a kick, wasn't he? Nadya has suggested I see Bend it like Beckham. I'll check that out. And I did enjoy Enchanted April very much. I'd like to see that again. Alas, there are not enough really enjoyable romantic movies out there.
I head off to bed now. No apologies needed for long posts, especially for long-posters like me.
Jim
Ok - first big thanks to Bro Jim (he is younger than me so I can't call him Papa) for finding out how to read all the latest comments. This brought me up to speed with the new comments here.
ReplyDeleteLeen - NO NO NO thank you's to Fleiss - can't have that egomaniac think he was responsible for something as great as this group. He would turn it into another Reality Show -- hmmm names are not coming to me but the format is rather clear. "How many relationships can one message board create?" Ackkk leave it alone.
Ann - thanks for sharing and this is what really intrigues me about this whole gathering of fabulous people with varied backgrounds and stories. Like you said if we both team up to put together our "Adventures on the Internet" who knows what might come of it.
Where this really hits home for me is the other week in discussion with Marianna - she admitted to very little online contact and I believe others have alluded to the same lack of online relationships. In my years online the last eight extremely intense I have had so many relationships and we aren't just talking dating its amazing. My connections and coincidences are mind boogling.
But the internet still has a stigma for many many people and I think its time that stigma is blown out of the water. Some of the nicest people I have ever met came from the internet. Let me share one -- Melanie pull up a chair this is the story I was talking about the other day.
Back in 2004 I was involved with a wonderful fellow from NYC (that's for another time). I had also just joined a new Yahoo widow support group. I was in NYC in June and one of the widows was sorry we couldn't meet during that time. During an online discussion I told her that was ok that I would be back in October. She said great - we could arrange something and that would be extra special because it would be her 49th birthday. Well dang if Oct 2004 was also my 49th birthday. Another widow from California also asked to join in because it was her 49th birthday in October. Turns out our birthdays were 8 days apart. The girl from CA is a Melanie - we met for a joint party in Oct of 2004 and have remained the best of friends ever since. My mom met them both during that trip and she loved both those girls as much as I did. Melanie was able to come to my wedding last October and I know we will be friends for life.
That my friends is why I am so much in love with the internet - ohhh and my other great internet love - my darling husband - but that's another story for my other blog.
Ann once I get further into my other blog about all these adventures I will let you in as a reader (anyone else that might be interested can join in) but its just work in progress right now.
Jim,
ReplyDeleteWhat a great idea! I am so glad that the creative juices are flowing again for you! I write as well, I have 4 or 5 books cooking. Different genres. I do not necessarily think I am a strong writer but I sometimes feel the need to write and so I do. I have an active imagination and I need outlets! LOL.
I will admit here on the board that a few of my novels are of the romance novel variety... BUT instead they are all about strong women. I have a guilty pleasure where I like romance novels, but I generally find the writing weak and they all follow a certain pattern or cliche. It pissed me off so much I starting formulating something completely different. Yes the most cynical person about love you will ever meet likes writing about it. Yes I see the irony. But see in my books, the men are who they say they are! LOL
As I said, I have an active imagination, so my other novels are fantasy and are in a world of my own creation. It is fun and I can make it be whatever I want. Some romance, some magic, suspense. All the good stuff.
I don't write to try to sell the books. If I ever finish one I might try to promote it to see.
But I would be happy to proofread, or help others! I think I would be good at that! Great idea Jim!
Heidi
I also think that another thread about our past romances would be welcome. Marianna, if you do it, I will do it! I have some real doozies! When I get going at parties (with a female audience) I will unleash some of my previous men stories. LOL
ReplyDeleteYay! Heidi's going to join us too! I think we have more than enough talented, intelligent and interested people to make a very fine writing group!
ReplyDeleteHeidi, I'm sure you can contribute far more than only proofreading. I hope that all of us can help you as well. It's great that you want to write without the need to make a living at it. That is very freeing. As I said somewhere, I wrote my first screenplays for the pleasure of it. Attempting to sell them was so stressful and perverse, it threw me off my stride. I need to get back into writing for the pleasure of it again.
I'm happy to hear that your novels include strong women. From my view, it seems that very few movies have both strong male and female characters. That always bugs me. I'm not familiar with the romance novel genre so I don't know how much it applies there.
Jim
Jim,
ReplyDeleteYes the "typical" roles really annoy me. I would be thrilled to join you guys and contribute. How exciting!