Friday, July 31, 2009

TGIF and TGFN

Thank God It's Friday and Thank God For Nadya. I am glad to be here. I finally figured out how to do this. I am now officially middle aged and technically sydlexic, I mean dyslexic. I am glad I am here with y'all and look forward to many interesting things to come. Big hugs!

HCM

Melanie

Whew! I made it!

Finally! I have managed to get all comfy on the wonderful blog Nadya has set up for us. Thanks again, Nadya. Later tonight I will be able to read through the wonderful posts that I have missed due to my delay in getting all signed up. I'm so glad I get the chance to keep in touch with all of you. Good times will be had. =)

Soy Grande Love and Hugs to all,
Nash

P.S. Decided to go with green, it being my favorite color and all.

Moving On

Happy Friday everyone!


I am starting to feel I can let go a little of Season 5 and it's emotion provoking characters. Thanks to the wise and thoughtful input from all of you, I feel like I can make some sense of it now. I referred to our new community as the BBB (Best of the Bachelorette Boards) to Nadya, when I was attempting to get myself set up here. Now I think it should be BBBB - Best and Brightest!


Jim, I love the thought that this could become a writers group and I would be thrilled to be a part of it. It is such a pleasure to read all the well crafted posts here. This is REAL! and it's so uplifting to find others who are like minded and also so very kind and open and hilarious at times.


So on the theme of moving on... What will we all be doing next Monday night? And how do we feel about who the next Bachelor should be?


I wouldn't mind to watch Reid or Kipton more - who wouldn't? And it would give us a chance to get to know them a bit more perhaps (editing notwithstanding). Would our feelings change? I agree that the Bach/ette seems to end up taking a bit of a backseat to all the wanna be winners. So would we be distracted or more attracted?


I have only seen two previous seasons of this show. The Paris one with the Dr. (Travis?) and Prince Lorenzo in Rome. I was drawn to it for the vicarious experience of the European settings- uber romantic to me. But at the end of both seasons, I found I didn't much like the bachelor and felt he had made the wrong choice. I always cried for the F2. I was so turned off, I gave up on the show, until Jillian. I couldn't resist because she was Canadian and I got hooked immediately.


I have to say I think I prefer the Bachelorette because of the mass of great looking guys. So much eye candy, even if they turn out to be buffoons. I remember cringing a lot at the behavior of many of the young women. Maybe because I could identify with some of them too much - been there, done that!


Kelly, thank you for telling us you were Jillian at one time. I think I may still be in some ways.


So many of you have shared your personal stories and situations, I want to give you a bit of mine. I just turned 51. Never been married. No kids. Many relationships over the years, some serious and long lasting, but I just never married any of them. In hindsight, I have no regrets about those decisions.


The last time I "fell in love" was about 3 years ago and when I ended up heartbroken, it took a while to recover of course. I started a new job and threw myself into that and basically took myself off the market. Recently I have been doing some online dating. Very interesting, lots of work and mostly disappointing. I agree with Heidi that the show can inspire one to hope that there really are some good guys out there. Jim do you have a brother by any chance? :)


I am an interior decorator and do love Art Deco and Art Noveau. Decogirl is my dating site name. I wanted to be just Canadiann here, but am so inept at getting Googlized I can't seem to change it. And now it seems more appropriate to be Deco. I think there is a lot more love on this blog than any dating site!


Thank you all for making me feel welcome and I am excited to have the opportunity of knowing and sharing with you. Its downright romanatic!


Thursday, July 30, 2009

What went wrong?

I wish Jillian nothing but happiness. She seems to have made the choice that she needed to make. I am with Reid that I'm not so sure she'll always be as certain about her decision as she'd have us believe. I mean no disrespect to any Ed fan, but there was always something about him - something that I can't describe or put my finger on - that I just didn't trust. That was my feeling from the very first night and it hasn't changed.

The Ed fans on the board are ferocious. While I'll admit that there have been some Reid fans who have gone too far, I found the Ed fans to be nasty and attacking toward ALL Reid fans for reasons I will never understand. It continues today, I'm sorry to say. The irony of that is that the very thing of which they accuse us "Reidsters" - the inability to see clearly and be rational - is the thing that I find most disturbing about them. They REFUSE to see the connection that was so evident between Reid and Jillian. They skewer him for his inability or unwillingness to put his feelings into words on such a short timeline. Truth be told, if I were the Bachelorette, I think I would gravitate towards the men who weren't as quick to say words they thought I wanted to hear, but were willing to show it. Why? Well, it's simple, I think there are men on the show who are willing to say anything out of a pathological sense of competition, not for the love of the woman.

In some deep well in my heart, I feel the desire to protect Reid. I watched his heart get ripped out not once, but twice. And, he did nothing to deserve it. The pain he felt was evident in his eyes and it was heartwrenching for me to watch. It wasn't gone during the ATFR. His pain was still raw and palpable. So, I attempted to use the logic of the B board against the users of the B board. Alas, these Ed fans are incapable of reason and chose instead to bash me and other Reid fans for not being able to let go. Now, I haven't lost any sleep over this, so I assure you that my psyche is in tact. However, I do have a hard time accepting the fact that ANYONE could've missed what so obviously existed between Jillian and Reid. Just as I have a hard time accepting that Jillian let something and someone so amazing slip through her fingers. It's my nature . . . I have to ask "why?"

What I find amazing is that all season long, so many people wrote about Jillian being insecure. Now, some of those same people are saying that she didn't really have feelings for Reid or she would've picked him. Why is it such a hard leap to make that maybe her insecurities are what got in the way of her relationship with Reid, not her feelings . . . or his for that matter? If she is insecure, wouldn't logic dictate that the fact that Reid couldn't open up played into her insecurities? But, someone who was able to tell her what she wanted/needed to hear (not saying whether Ed meant it or not, just reasoning through this) would make her feel more secure about the relationship and herself? And so, that's who she would pick? How can anyone, especially those who debated whether or not Jillian was confident and secure, not see these things?

I say this because I thought it was crystal clear that Jillian genuinely had feelings for Reid . . . even at the ATFR. That doesn't mean that she doesn't love Ed, but just because she picked Ed doesn't mean that she doesn't have deep, romantic, loving feelings for Reid. Frankly, I think if Reid would've opened up sooner, the outcome may well have been different. I know some people will respond that she said otherwise and that the outcome wouldn't have been any different, but what's she going to say with Ed and the world listening? On the other hand, I watched the torture she went through trying to sort it out. I watched the smile creep upon her face when Reid got down on one knee. I watched how heartbroken she was both times she sent Reid away. And, like Chris Harrison, I actually thought and hoped for a breathless moment that she might chose Reid after all.

All of her moments with Reid were the most real all season. Most of those brought me joy, but both times she rejected him, I felt pain for both of them because I watched something beautiful and precious disintegrate right before my eyes and there was nothing I could do to stop it. Those painful moments were very real as well. You'd think you'd have more of those on a reality show, but they were few and far between. As for the B board, there's no logic, no humor, no humanity, and no tolerance among some of the posters. It saddens me that something that could've been so beautiful has been sullied and minimized by some of the posters on that board. So, I came here to be among friends, who will help me figure out what happened without judging me for feeling a sense of loss for both Jillian and Reid.

Wednesday, July 29, 2009

Somber moods

Why is our collective mood so somber (or is it)? I feel depressed. I don’t think this is because I wanted another bachelor to be chosen. I don’t believe that Jillian made the wrong choice for her. So why is this all so disappointing?

There are few reasons for me. I feel awful for Reid, of course. He was set up to take not one, but two falls. It’s hard to know what roles Jillian on the one side and the producers on the other played in this fiasco. It’s clear that Reid was hurt badly and unnecessarily so. Jillian rejected him the first time for his failure to say the right words. When he returned and said those words, she rejected him for a statute of limitations violation. In explaining her rejections, she twice dismissed their love as merely “fun”.

Assuming that Jillian was free to make the decisions she made, I see two possible explanations for all of this. One possibility is that she decided on Ed before she turned away Reid and then Kiptyn. In that case, the rejection of those two was preordained and there was little either could have done to change that outcome. The problem with this scenario is that it would mean that Jillian misused and mislead both men. Could she be capable of trying to force Reid to say he loved her, knowing that she would still send him packing? Could she allow herself such a romantic and highly physical date with Kiptyn if she was in love with another man but not him?

The explanation that makes more sense to me is that she had fallen in love with all three of them one way or another and had not made up her mind between them before Hawaii. In the ATFR Reid wanted so badly to know if Jillian would have picked him if he had said the “L” word on cue. She was clearly torn in her answer. She could not confess that she may have chosen the wrong man and so she reverted to explanation one. But none of us were convinced of this. We come away with the dread feeling that she made her final decision based on criteria that had nothing to do with love.

Another reason that I’m depressed is that Jillian made a decision that was diametric to what she said she wanted. I tend to take people at their word. I get burned by this time and again and somehow I never learn. I was foolishly surprised by her decision. If she told us that she wanted to be swept off her feet by a decisive, strong-willed man who would take care of her for the rest of her life, I would say that Ed was her man. I would have been thrilled for her. Reid would be entirely mismatched with such a woman. Do any of us believe that Ed is her best friend? That he makes her laugh regularly? That his main priority in life is true love? Can even Ed fans claim that he wants to be part of a team?

Jillian seems torn. I think she does want what she claimed. I don’t think she expected that this might require risk and sacrifice. Everyone in the world wants true love, happiness and fulfillment. How many are willing to risk comfort, security and the possibility of being hurt to achieve those ends? Jillian could have striven for something beyond her dreams, if she was willing to risk it.

I fear there may come a day in which Jillian will realize that she made a mistake of such magnitude that few of us will ever have the opportunity to make it. She appeared to have been given the option of true love. If she did reject this in favor of security then this show is tantamount to a Greek tragedy.


Jim

Thankyou Marianna

Hi Marianna
Have been anxiously awaiting your musings. I fully understand your hesitation in posting on the BB. I will never understand how obnoxious some people can be.
Am very sorry to hear of your friend's loss. I'm sure we all know how draining that can be. You hurt yourself when a loved one/friend is suffering.
As for the show. I have come to the conclusion that it is totally scripted. People leaving/returning, all to add interest and suspense.
You have to wonder if the final players receive money. I find it difficult to believe that any sensible, sensitive person would expose themselves to so much humiliation without some sort of reward. Possibly, it's just for the opportunity of 15 minutes of fame.
Try to keep cool.
S

Why there'll be no musings this week

Hello dear BB board friends,

No musings, I'm afraid, since this week has been anything but amusing.

Just two days ago, my best friend's mother passed away and I have been spending every minute I can spare to be with her. It has been emotionally exhausting, to say the least.

I did finally get a chance to watch the finale and the ATFR shows late last night. I'll just share some thoughts with you here, since I'm pretty sure if I post on the BB, I'll get crucified by those vociferous Ed fans and I'm not sure that in my compromised emotional state, I'll be able to deal with the onslaught.

What I saw last night, as I sat up late into an impossibly hot summer night, was a disappointment of 'grande' proportions. I know that all season I have been talking about how we've been victims of editing. While I did see the same evidence of 'Fleissian manoeuvers' in these episodes (Reid not being allowed to wear a suit to propose, for example), what I also saw confirms my belief that this show plays unfortunate mind games on hapless contestants who may have convinced themselves into thinking that this is an acceptable way to select a mate for life.

I'm talking about the undeniable emotion that still flowed between Reid and Jillian. It was so strong, it practically bounced out of the television, permeating my living room and wrapping its loving arms around me. It was electric, it was tender and, towards the end, it was heartbreaking resignation on Reid's part.

I'm convinced that, despite her utterances to the contrary, if Reid had spoken those same words to Jillian in Spain, Ed would now be a mere footnote in the book of Jillian's journey to love.

She chose Ed over Reid because she was more sure of a proposal from him. Ed pursued Jillian with all the vigor of a salesman pursuing an important new client. He wined and dined her; he said all the right words; he "closed all the loops" and "sealed and deal".

How proud his boss would be of him!

Reid, on the other hand, was unable to verbalize what his actions were already proclaiming, loud and clear, to Jillian. And Jillian was unable, unwilling or unready to read between the lines. I don't know if it stemmed from a deeply insecure place within her (she was clearly uncomfortable with Kip's perceived 'perfection' as well, worrying that she wasn't good enough for him) or if she truly didn't think that Reid would propose or even declare his obvious love for her on national television, in front of God and millions of viewers.

What made no sense was that she let Reid go before Kip. At the penultimate rose ceremony, neither man had made any pronouncements of impending proposals or even used the "L" word (well, Reid tried, but it was the wrong one!)

What made no sense was that her parents (especially her father, apparently won over by a bit of flirty hula dancing and some strategically-placed coconuts) gave their blessing for their daughter's hand in marriage to someone they barely knew and had met in such artificial circumstances.

What made even less sense was that, although she was clearly tempted to choose a returning Reid (now THAT was something even Fleiss couldn't mess with), she made her life-altering decision after a mere 15 minutes of deliberation with a man (Chris Harrsion) whom she's known less than a year.

Watching Reid's emotions during the ATFR made it absolutely obvious that the feelings were real. And, clearly, Jillian reciprocated those feelings. Her teary hesitation, her lovingly longing looks and the fact that everyone (including Chris Harrison, if one is to believe his blog) thought for a minute that she just may pick Reid after all, spoke volumes.

In that moment of Jillian's doubt, standing at the podium in her erstatz wedding dress, I almost felt sorry for Ed. He'd clearly worked hard to win his prize, only to almost lose it to a bachelor who was sent home even though Jillian's words about him had always been the most glowing and heartfelt of superlatives (insert here the many wonderful things Reid and Jillian said to each other, including having cute nicknames) that spoke that most intimate language of love.

Even today, I wonder how Ed must have reacted to seeing Jillian's televised mulling over of Reid's proposal.

Why did she do it, then? Why did she reject Reid a second time? Most tellingly, her reason was not that she wasn't still deeply in love with Reid, but that she had allowed herself to fall for the guy whose stilted lines best fit the Fleissian agenda and now, she simply couldn't let him down.

Really? That was the best reason she could give Reid? Sorry, I can't let Ed go now; he's already promised to marry me. Oh, but Reid, you're not crazy to propose -- we have the deepest of connections and, if it weren't for the circling limo, the suited bachelor and that Fleissian clock ticking ominously in the background, I'd pick my honeybear in a heartbeat! Oh, if only I had more time!

But, sadly for Jillian and Reid, tempus fugit. How sad that they met under the constraints of a tv show. Given more time and the natural course of love, there is no doubt that these two would have been the happiest of couples, 'perma-grinning' and neck-nuzzling their way through life.

If the last two episodes of The Bachelorette taught us anything, it's that timing is everything. What happens at certain moments in our lives can have a huge impact on our decisions and the path of our destiny.

I guess when you agree to become the bachelorette, you sign on the dotted line, with full knowledge of what the rules of the game are. You agree to follow this journey of televised love, of dating in ridiculously gigantic numbers, bringing it to a (preferably) happy conclusion, not in any kind of real time but in time for the show to follow its schedule and wrap it all up in a nice little ring box.

Unfortunately, real life is eminently less 'wrappable'.

I'm afraid that when Jill has finished unwrapping all the layers of Ed, she may realize that her true gift lay elsewhere, unopened.

And if she ever does get to open the gift that is Reid, it will be a Christmas morning like no other.

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Marianna

Monday, July 27, 2009

hello from BC

Hello everyone, from Beautiful British Columbia
I've never posted on a blog before, am certainly having fun learning!!!
It's going to be great to share thoughts with people from all corners.
I live in the Lower Mainland of BC, south of Vancouver, five minutes from
the border.
It is so hot here today, a heatwave we've been promised will last a few days. Nothing to compare with Texas, of course, but for us most unusual.
Will be very interesting to see what happens tonight. I wouldn't dare suggest this on the other board but I think it very likely that there will not be a proposal, more likely Jillian will choose to date one person. Probably the most sensible outcome anyway.
Enjoy the show.
S

Sharing a True Love Story

Well my friends as the clock ticks down to the finale and when all will be revealed I want to share a story I heard today. A lot of discussion has gone on the message boards (and elsewhere I am sure) that finding love under these circumstances and more importantly this short a time frame is impossible.

Today I attended the funeral service of a dear lovely lady I had the pleasure and honour of calling friend. Her husband had the strength and courage to stand before us all and eulogize his wife. He shared the story of how they met. And this is the truth my friends. They were at a party where they first saw each other and were immediately attracted to each other. Within four weeks they were engaged and married six months later. As he put it he was blessed to spend forty years with the most amazing wife, lover and above all best friend any man can imagine sharing a life with.

I know these stories are rare but I love hearing of stories of quick and long lasting love. Anything can happen in this big beautiful world and with a less jaded outlook for the show tonight I wish Jillian and her choice - a possible life time of happiness.
Hello Everyone, thanks for the invite! AIP, thanks so much for setting up this blog. I have never used a blog before, but since the entire rest of the world does, I guess it's time to learn. I'm going to post my little blurb up here because it might be fun for people to see as it's specifically about the board. See you later at the pee in the pants party!

I came to watch the bachelorette series because I am fascinated by people. Little did I know that the bachelorette forum would provide even more entertainment than the show itself! So far I've seen the planning of Leeinandlaugh's wedding, Gunderbump's mankini, and the Footless Bird. I've watched the Dark Horse gallup off into the night, and have even taken a ride on the Vancouver Express. I was also lucky enough to escape the crossfire during the gang wars between Team Reid and the Edophiles. Oh, and I was even offered a job at ABC as either an intern, employee, plant, or pawn. What do you think, should I accept? Oh, gotta go now, there's a pee in the pants party starting to emerge.

gd



Howdy from down Texas way!

Hello all,

What a great idea for getting together to laugh, cry, and exchange our thoughts with each other! Thanks, April in Paris for setting up this Blog.

I'm looking forward to many lively conversations, beginning with, but certainly not limited to, the FR ceremony, 7/27 & ATFR telecast, 7/28.

Warmest regards to all,
Layla

Remmi is in the house!

Thank you for the invite!! I'm looking forward to hanging with you all post-B5 AFRC!!!

Sunday, July 26, 2009

How to for Authors

I am so glad that those of you already confirmed as authors, are having fun exploring your new "vacation cottage"...make sure and pick out which rooms you want to claim as your own. lol Seriously, if any of you would like to have your own distinguishing text or background color for your entries, let me know and I can set that up.

In the meanwhile, in order to make your own posts you must be signed in. Then you need to find the bar stretching across the very top of your blog page. On the top right beside "Sign Out", you'll see the words "New Post". Click here and it will take you to your posting screen. You can click here as well or simply click the pencil under your post, to edit an old post.

At the top of your entry window, you'll see a lot of choices. You can choose font, size, text color, etc. as well as whether you want to post a url link, photo(s), or video. Don't forget to put in a title in the narrow box above the the text window.

When you're all done, press the preview link on the top right corner of the text window. If it's ready, press the orange PUBLISH POST button, lower left. (Your writing is being automatically saved every 60 seconds, but if you need to leave your screen suddenly, just click on "Save Now" and you'll find your work when you come back.) Click on the "View Blog" link top, middle, to get back to the main blog page.

If you want to respond to your commenters, just add a comment of your own. You have delete rights over your posts and comments made to your posts. Just click on the trash can under them. My advice though is that you try to explain why the deletion is being made to avoid frustration.

Hope this helps. :-)
This is very exciting! A huge thank you to April in Paris for that lovely introduction. I'm looking forward to the wonderful discussions we're all going to have here.

Marianna

Hello, hello

Hi everyone,

I'm in the system now. I look forward to staying connected to everyone.

Jim (in blue)

Hello

Hello April
Thank you for setting up this blog, am so looking forward to hearing how everyone feels after tomorrow evening.
bdazz

Welcome to Romantic Portrayals

I would like to send out a big, warm hug of a welcome to all readers and authors who are joining our new blog. We are a group of people who first met discussing the trials and tribulations of the Main Players in The Bachelorette-Season 5-Jillian Harris on ABC.

However, our discussions very quickly took on a life of their own, exploring the permutations of love and romance we see all around us, and bringing in references to love as it is portrayed in all types of media. We have had great fun with conversations that ranged from hilarious to wise, silly to witty, but warm, respectful, and intelligent as well.

We decided to continue our journey together in this blog, delving into love and life as we see it, and sharing our laughter and sometimes tears with one and all. We give a great shout of thanks to the lady who started it all with her unbelievably witty “Marianna’s Musings” threads. You will find her here, as well as many others whose company you too will probably find it hard to part with.

Enjoy!