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an excerpt from Reality Steve's latest blog: www.realitysteve.com
ReplyDeleteMore “Bachelor” News
So I’ve gotten this bit of info regarding a girl who was cast to be on this season with Jake. I emphasize “was”. This particular girl was flown out to LA to be one of the 25 bachelorettes. The afternoon of the meet-and-greets, she was upstairs getting ready, then came down to film her ITM (in the moment). When she sat down, her handler gave her a piece of paper with lines to memorize. She was told to memorize those lines and say them when they started filming. What was she supposed to say to the camera? “When I first saw Jake, I fell in love. I can’t wait to fly away with him someday.” The girl basically told her handler, “No, I’m not saying this. I haven’t even met the guy yet.” The handler told her she had to, and that they’d just run it after she met him. The girl said no. Back and forth they went, until the girl just decided she didn’t want to do the show anymore and walked out, got her stuff, and left the show.
Now, obviously no one will ever see this when the season starts. This girl will never be on camera since she’s not one of the 25 bachelorettes. She left before the filming started. When the show flys all the girls out for the beginning of filming, they bring in more than 25 girls just in case something like this happens. Wasn’t the first time it happened, and it certainly won’t be the last. But just know it happened this season. Kinda funny that now they are actually telling people exact lines to say instead of just putting them together and saying, “Here, talk about this.” Look, we’ve always known the show wasn’t real and I think a lot of people have come to accept that. But my problem has always been that they constantly are trying to tell us it is. That they just “throw 25 women in a house, roll the cameras, and drama ensues.” Uhhhh, not quite. “Here, read these lines about how much you love Jake even though you haven’t met him yet” is a bit much, don’t you think? So when you’re watching the first episode this season, and you hear girls falling all over Jake talking about how great he is and they are so in love, just know that those were filmed before they even met him, and that the girls saying that were basically ones who just agreed to do whatever the producers told them to. As opposed to the other girl I just told you about who basically stood up for herself and realized how ridiculous the whole thing was.
I wonder though, if they wanted her to say that because you know how they do the "teasers" with the voices (usually cut from completely non relevant conversations)? I bet they wanted her to say that to try to throw the snoopers you know? Am I too optimistic?
ReplyDeleteA couple of comments:
ReplyDelete1. I'm sure there are droves of people so eager to get on tv and promote themselves and their ulterior motives, that they would gladly memorize lines.
2. I've always thought that it detracted from whatever vestiges of reality which remain on these types of shows to have the contestants interrupt their dates by walking away to stand in front of a camera and give us an update of how it's going, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DATE! Can't they wait until it's over?
Now, in light of Reality Steve's new information (which I have no reason to disbelieve, although I take everything I read or watch in popular culture with a grain of salt), I wonder if the timeline is always chronological on this show.
Interesting post, Leen! Keep 'em coming!
M.
Just have to look at it for what it really is - entertainment. Sighs the happily ever afters are just fiction. Would Real Reality TV be just too boring. My husband keeps reminding me that they are catering to the North American audience - I mean for goodness sake if Dog the Bounty Hunter can remain on the air all these years there has to be someone watching (NOT ME).
ReplyDeleteHey, Joanne, how are you?
ReplyDeleteYou bring up an interesting point. I think that if the feelings are real and not manufactured, then sticking to Real Reality TV would be a breath of fresh air and quite compelling viewing.
The problem is that Fleiss tries to mess with it too much and it ends up becoming contrived.
Also, are these "happily ever afters" you refer to the real deal or Fleiss' machinations? If the latter, I was going to point out that the numbers of "happily ever afters" resulting from his show are dismally low.
Never heard of this doggie bounty hunter. Cannot possibly imagine who'd watch it.
But then, most of my friends in the 'real world' would be agog to know that I watch The Bachelor(ette), much less comment on it.
When my husband threatens to bring it up in company, I give him a Very Fierce Look and raise one eyebrow slightly menacingly.
He immediately thinks the better of it.
M.
I have issues with Reality Steve. More generally, I have issues with sources of information that have a vested interest in a particular viewpoint or ideology. They avoid reporting information that works against those interests. I do not doubt that there is some truth to Reality Steve reports. I can say the same for official ABC reports. ABC dismisses reports like this one as disgruntled wannabes. RS dismisses the contestants who claim nothing like this happened to them as sell-outs.
ReplyDeleteLet’s assume that this report is Fleiss policy. What logically follows? A number of contestants, much larger than 25, are herded into the mansion. Hours before they are scheduled to meet Jake, each woman is given lines and ask to express emotions they don't feel on camera. Let’s hope that several of them refuse to cooperate. They either quit or are dismissed. After the producers find 25 women from the pool who will compromise their dignity and morals, the extras are dismissed without explanation.
Under that scenario, the only women Jake can choose from are there for the wrong reasons. Under similar scenarios, Jake is there for the wrong reasons. The participants are reduced to players and their victims. We already know that there will be some of each. We don't know who (if any) are there for the stated purpose of the show.
I don't find this sort of thing even remotely entertaining. I'm seriously reconsidering if I want to watch this show again.
Jim, as sad as it is, I think the scenario set up by RS and extrapolated by you , is, indeed, what this show has TURNED into. Recent contestants have capitalized on the show as a stepping-stone into the entertainment field or just to further his/her career,i.e. Jillian said as much.
ReplyDeleteI think that the producers take a gamble. Under such controlled interactions and without other potentials for the contestants, romance can still take place. In rare instances, love might emerge (Trista/Ryan, Molly/Jason, Reid).
Overall, I'd say the show is a bust. They should just admit that it's scripted. They'll use "everyday" folks as the actors, but they're trying to convey a certain "love" story. As with any movie set, any work place, love might actually emerge, but we're not banking on it.
If regular viewing happens this winter, it'll be without emotional investment. Now it's just the psychological study, the sleuthing, and the analysis among board friends.
I'm with you Leen. I am leaving the emotional investment in the bank this season. I will say that I am thankful that I was emotionally invested in Bachelorette 5 because without that, I wouldn't have met the amazing people of this blog I now call friends :)
ReplyDeleteI agree that it does seem the show has turned into quite a scripted farce. No wonder the odds are so against it! Poor Jake having to be given these fake women, although we could be cynical and say perhaps all he is looking to get out of it is a career boost, money, and after getting dumped again, a whole lot of women after him.
ReplyDeleteI had to pop in and say hi. Someday I will fill y'all in on the saga that is my life, but not now. I believe that these shows are scripted, and I am glad there are people out there that will not be scripted. I watch this show for it's entertainment value,the fact that I have had some great moments online, and the friends I have made. I have my favorites, but don't invest myself in the outcome. Although this last season it would be hypocritical of me to say I wasn't "feeling it" for Reid.
ReplyDeleteI hope that this season turns out to be entertaining and fun. I plan to be watching, and of course Tuesday morning quarterbacking. I am looking forward to reading how everyone is seeing Jake's season.
Sorry I have been away so long mes amis. I will try to be more available. Have a great weekend.
HCM
Melanie
P.S. I watch "Dog the Bounty Hunter". I find it quite entertaining. Plus to Marianna that's his name "Dog" because he hunts the "criminals" down. I hope this doesn't get me thrown out of the blog. ;)
Hey Melanie,
ReplyDeleteOh! I get it. I thought it was a real dog, somehow, catching criminals, perhaps sniffing them out.
I find all sorts of low-brow tv entertaining and interesting as fodder to ruminate on the intricacies of human nature!
No danger of you ever being "thrown out of the blog"!! :)
Bachelor Jake Won't "Deal" With Contestants Having Beaus Back Home : http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/bachelor-jake-wont-deal-with-contestants-having-beaus-back-home-20091410
ReplyDeleteWednesday – October 14, 2009 – 9:40am
Dallas pilot Jake Pavelka, who was rejected last season by Bachelorette Jillian Harris, tells Usmagazine.com he is "honored" to be given a second chance at love as the new Bachelor star.
"It's such a unique opportunity," Pavelka, 31, told Us after the Dancing With the Stars taping in Los Angeles Tuesday. "I still cannot believe this is happening. How did I get here?"
On The Bachelorette last season, Pavelka famously accused contestant Wes of having a girlfriend back home while pursuing Harris. So will he be asking any of the upcoming contestants if they have boyfriends back home?
"I hope that's something we don't deal with this season," he said. "I'm going to give everybody a clean slate going in, and I think over time [contestants] will weed themselves out. I'm hopeful."
He also said he won't come on too strong - a mistake he made on The Bachelorette.
"It was good I got to watch an actual first date on TV," he told Us. "I was like, 'Oh! Tone it down a bit!' That's what I took away from The Bachelorette. I was just so excited. I wanted her to like me because she's so gorgeous and such a great person. And I tried just a little too hard."
He told Us he doesn't plan on consulting any past Bachelor stars for tips.
"I've seen a lot of other seasons, but I'm not planning on that," he said. "I want to go in fresh. I know that they are making a show that ultimately doesn't have anything to do with my goals. I want to meet these girls, and I want to fall in love and let them down as gently as possible at the end."
So who's his dream girl?
"I'm going to look deep into the heart for character," he told Us. "The four most important things to me are similar qualities -- someone who is romantic, passionate, compassionate and protective ... and will laugh at my jokes!"
The new season of The Bachelor is slated to premiere in early 2010 on ABC.
Going back to the original thread, I don't actually believe in the scenario I spelled out. I know there is far too much manipulation, prompting and self-promotion. But I don't believe the show is scripted or that everyone involved is morally compromised. Regardless of the actual level of deceit, the show is definitely tainted. Believing this, the show can only result in hurt and cynicism. I've had too much of both in my life to seek out more.
ReplyDeleteThe show has so little credibility, participants lose credibility by association. Jake may yet find true love this season. If he does, he and his beloved will still be accused of being frauds. Those who have found love on this show after Trista and Ryan have been deemed failures. Why should it be any different for Jake? I don't feel that he has thick enough skin to handle that.
Wow. Interesting and revealing comment on Jake's part.
ReplyDeleteIn this interview, he said:
"I know that they are making a show that ultimately doesn't have anything to do with my goals."
Whaaaaat???
Why is he on this show, then?
New Bachelor Jake Pavelka Toughens Up
ReplyDeleteby Debbie Emery November 09, 2009 03:17 PM EST
While we all saw pilot Jake Pavelka, 31, crying like a baby in the last season of The Bachelorette after revealing Wes Hayden’s secret girlfriend to suitor Jillian Harris, the new star of The Bachelor: On The Wings of Love has toughened up now that he’s the main man.
“He’s doing brilliantly, we’re in the middle of production right now and he’s doing really well,” host Chris Harrison told TV Guide Magazine at the Breeders’ Cup Winners Circle in Santa Anita, CA on November 7th, and admitted that Jake is doing better than he thought he would. “He’s impressed me. He’s very well-grounded, he seems to have his eye on the ball and is very serious about why he’s here. So far he’s not cried with any railings.”
Luckily for Jake, he has a great group of girls to choose from too! “I hate to slight the other girls, but it’s one of the best groups of women we’ve ever had,” revealed Harrison. “They’re obviously very beautiful - one of the best looking groups - but they are also very professional and smart. They seem very well-grounded. They’re not emotional or crazy, they seem very serious about why they are there.”
With such a great combination of personalities, expect the see sparks fly when the 14th season premieres in January 2010. “It gets good, and it gets good early! Trust me,” says Harrison. “It’s going to be the most dramatic season ever!”