I was on the board tonight and came across an interesting post called "WOW . . . both threads are now gone" posted by Shayvoe. It addresses Ed's girlfriends (yes, plural), Reid coming back to the FRC, Wes' edit, etc. It is VERY interesting. I drafted a long post here about it, but I got that error and my post was deleted. Now, I have to go to bed because it is 4 a.m. here. I got so caught up in that post that I lost track of time.
But, if it is gone, I did copy it to a Word document that I will share with all of you if you're interested and can't find it on the board.
Good night, friends.
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The Cliff notes:
ReplyDelete1) Ed is a player. He had two girlfriends while the show was filming. It's speculated that he left on his own to attend to "business" which was personal rather than professional. He said all the right things to win and for the big payout in the end. He does not love Jillian or intend to marry her.
2) Reid was manipulated to return. His handler told him that she missed him, asked for him, that if he returned and proposed, he'd almost be guaranteed she'd say yes. Though this source says that Reid was paid to return, a source close to Reid denies that he was paid to act or return: his feelings towards Jill were true. His words were his own. The outlying question: Did Jill love Reid too?
3) There was NO love connection this season. At all. The writers and editors scrambled to craft storylines (hence all the drama) when it became obvious that Jill was drawn to guys who did not like her (Ed and Wes) versus those who liked her and she was not into (Reid?, Jake, maybe even Kip). I remember Jill saying that she opens up easily with guys who are more into her than she's into them whereas with guys she likes, she's quieter. We saw this play out during the Spain date with Ed.
4) Jake returned because he was informed that he would be the frontrunner for the Bachelor if he complied. Think of how the MTA was the Jake show.
5) Wes did not have a girlfriend. He apparently had it bad for Laurel which was unrequited. The Ed debacle caused ABC to cover its tracks by throwing Wes under the bus since Ed literally had to leave because of his girlfriends. Wes shouldered Ed's weight. He was indeed there foremost for his music. (I like LuvBach's analysis of Wes...check out her posts).
Reading all of this last night left me shell-shocked. What's interesting to note is that not only was arch7373 (the original newsbreaker) deleted but subsequent threads to discuss and repost her work met the same demise. The "Wow" thread Kelly mentioned seems to have survived until now. Very telling indeed.
I'll post the actual insider posts below.
6/30/09
ReplyDeleteThe interactions between the B'ette and the guys are tightly controlled. Information is given only as needed to provoke the responses they want on camera. Everything is filmed, then they are separated.
So no, I don't think Jillian is a part of this horrendous mess. Look at her, she's an emotional wreck.
The "stars" (B'ette) are treated so differently than the "contestants." I've been told this repeatedly. They can be manipulated into doing almost anything.
6/30/09
I'm still trying to confirm but the word is that Ed is a player, even more than we know so far.
7/1/09
First, I have been told that the story of this season is that there is no story - no love connection. I honestly don't know how this will be edited or portrayed, but my guy on the inside said that the season was a "friggin' disaster" and the screenwriters worked overtime to create these subplots to make a show out of nothing.
Second, I have now heard from 3 people who I trust that Ed's "girlfriend" in Chicago was not one girl but two who did not know about each other until their friends started talking about his participation on the show.......and the fact that he had a girlfriend........and then figured out they were not talking about the same girl.
The first one I know for a fact. The second one has a high degree of reliability.
7/1/09:
Wes is not F1.
Ed visited both of these girls while on leave for his "personal business" then told them that he had to go to Texas for work (why Texas all the time?!) and then returned to the show.
7/5/09:
A few comments.
First, Lindsey J. is Ed's now former girlfriend. She broke up with him upon learning that his trip to "Texas" was in fact Spain and Hawaii. She is now dating someone else.
Second, a computer wiz told me that Lindsey J. first set up her Windows Live account on April 14. She added Ed, or was added by Ed, on April 16. She could not have been on Ed's WL account until she set hers up 2 days earlier.
During this period of April 14-16, Ed was in Whistler filming the show. I don't know if Lindesy set up the WL account during that time as a way to get ahold of him, but she sure didn't meet him then.
It is a well established fact that participants on this show cannot make phone calls, use the internet, or even go to movies without a chaperone watching them in order to maintain secrecy.
IF Ed and Lindsey communicated by WL during this time period (right before he left the show, correct?) then the producers knew about it.
7/6/09:
There was Ed1 - before he left the show. By all accounts, he had 1-3 girls back in Chicago who were "hotter than Jillian." That's what he told the guys, causing Tanner to spill.
Wes had been cast as the villian, so it becomes all about him, especially since Ed conveniently left the show at that point.
Ed left the show for business/personal problems/because the script called for it/whatever. During that time, female friend Lindsey picks him up at the airport, he stays with her for several nights, tells her he loves her, and leaves to go to Texas on "business.". Sends her a text message about how much he enjoyed the rodeo in "Texas."
Before he leaves, Ed1 goes to a bar and tells friends that it's no big deal he left, because he wasn't into Jillian anyway.
While in Spain, two of Ed's girlfriends are hooked together by friends and find out that he's, uh, versatile. Lindsey confronts him with the, "so I guess we're seeing other people now?" email. Then she discovers that Texas is no longer a part of Spain, and ends it. She moves on to a new guy. Ed is now sans chick.
Ed2 is born. He goes to Hawaii, and is able to later tell relatives that at first he wasn't so into Jillian but "grew" into it. Nice way to put it.
He does his dispassionate, "i thought about you all the time, uh, Jillian...i made a mistake...i'd like another chance".Jillian who has a penchant for believing guys who never look her in the eye, buys it.
7/6/09:
ReplyDeleteRemember with Melissa how we heard over and over that she was always the "dumpee?' Then she got the ultimate dump.
Foreshadowing.
With Jillian: she always falls for the bad boys...they never love her the way she loves them. She's already tossed the guys who really wanted her.
Foreshadowing.
7/7/09:.
What I've been challenged on is the level of detail I gave about Ed:
a. Having more than one girlfriend he visited in Chicago while on break from the show.
b. Telling these girls he was going to Texas for work when he really went to Spain and Hawaii.
c. Having sex with Jillian in the FS.
7/7/09:
What if all the information about Ed, the problems he was having with his girlfriends at home, why he left the show, what he said about sleeping with Jillian, getting caught in the lie about going to Texas for work, Lindsey breaking up with him - all of that - came from someone involved in the production of the show who had to manage this mess?
Would that solve the problems some of you have with believing it?
I'm tired of this and will not answer any more questions.
Sorry to be rude, but enough is enough.
7/7/09
Jeremy has known Wes for most of his life. He knows what the guy is about. I don't know Wes, but I know for a FACT that the production people at ABC threw him under the bus.
The buzz at ABC is the great irony that Wes got the death penalty for speeding, and Ed - at least so far - has walked free on fraud and perjury.
I think that's going to change.
7/9/09:
But one thing is for sure......the "unsubstantiated rumors" about Ed being a player and dishonest are well beyond the rumor stage now. It's an avalanche of sources coming from every direction to verify that this is one bad guy.
Not to say I told you so, but my gosh how can they not ditch him at this point?
7/11/0
So guys, here goes.
It's not a rumor that Ed had a girlfriend in Chicago.
It's not a rumor that he got busted on the trip to "Texas."
It's not a rumor that she was put in contact with another Ed gf.
It's not a rumor that he tried to do damage control from Spain.
It's not a rumor that Lindsey broke up and wants nothing to do with him.
It's not a rumor that she was offered tickets to the ATFR and said no way.
What you do with these facts may involve some speculation, as I've been told that they are still editing the finale. But if you're still stuck on questioning these basic facts, well, that train has left the station.
7/11/09:
I don't think TPTB cast Ed knowing he was a "polygirlfriendist."
However, they learned about it before he went home in April; still thought to be under control until the dam broke while he was in Spain. Seriously, it was bad....not just the detailed lies about his work in "Texas" but the contact between 2 women he saw while home from the show. It was a nightmare for the edit they had written for him.
They worked with him to clean up the mess to avoid embarrassment during the taping. Lot's of latitude to calm everyone down. It worked, except that too many people knew.
They are well aware that this stuff is now out there, so the debate is how to use it. They invited Lindsey and friends to the taping but she declined. What I'm unclear about is when it will be revealed.
I know for a fact that they are still editing the finale and so the options are open. But there is growing support for throwing Ed under the bus.
It's funny, the production crew started out hating Wes, and enjoyed making him look stupid. But most of those people would say now that he was a pretty funny guy, kind of arrogant but not so bad.
I don't think anyone on the production crew would now say they like Ed. He was aloof, demanding, disingenuous, and screwed up their filming. His handling of problems was self centered and immature, his social skills lacking.
To be quite honest, I'm not a fan of anyone on the show this season, so there's no agenda here.
7/11/09:
"The buzz at ABC is the great irony that Wes got the death penalty for speeding, and Ed walked on perjury and fraud."
7/14/09
ReplyDeleteAll I was saying was that Ed was called out while in Spain, for not being in Texas or telling the truth about anything else material to his gf's, and after a heated exchange he said, "yes, I slept with her but so did the other guys."
I interpreted "sleeping with her" the way most people do, and I have no idea what the other guys really did since Ed doesn't have the greatest record for telling the truth, but I do agree that it had the predictable result of getting his female friend in Chicago to dump him. But I was talking about Spain.
Some other things I have previously reported that are coming to pass:
a) I said that the producers were getting very weary of the problems Ed was creating, his demands, his sense of entitlement, etc. and they were dying to throw him under the bus - well, I think portraying someone as impotent clears that scorecard.
b) Ages ago, I said that the producers said that this season was a "friggin disaster" and "the story of this season is that there is no story" but the screenwriters were working overtime to develop subplots to make a show out of it. Pardon me for saying, but if you don't see how poorly this show is progressing and how forced the romance is, then we are just on different wavelengths.
c) Last night, the edit on Ed showed him wearing Jillian's swimwear and hopelessly pushing the rope in the Fantasy Suite. Kip was so boring I can't remember if they even showed him. The only interesting guy, Reid, left in a very businesslike manner, leading me to believe the scuttlebutt that he'll be back.
d) If you haven't listened to Wes' interview on RS.com, please do. It is the single most relevant, enlightening look into how completely awful and fraudulent this show is that I've ever heard. And I promise it will change your mind about Wes. (I said a while back that the production crew thought Wes was one of the more likable guys on the show, but being cast as the "villian," he was screwed.)
You don't need to agree, but please read this entire post before blasting me.
The Laurel in Austin is Brad Womack's old girlfriend. Wes has gone out with her, but she is not his girlfriend. He confided in some guys that he had it bad for Laurel, but the feeling apparently was not mutual. She wanted to date other people. The producers created this controversy and, while I personally don't care for Wes, I don't think he's the snake that has been portrayed.
Jake was led to believe that he was a strong candidate to be the next Bachelor. He agreed to come back for the confrontation under that pretense.
Tanner's foot fetish thing started as an off handed comment, a joke, and the producers ran with it. He thought it was funny and played along, but he didn't know that it would become the centerpiece of his character on the show. He is not happy.
Ed was told he could leave to attend to personal business. I'm honestly not sure how much of it was personal, but I know it was not business. I only recently learned about the thing with the girlfriend in Chicago, but I've known for quite some time that the thing about his job was bs, and that he always knew he was coming back. That was the deal he made.
As for compensation to the Bachelors, the standard contract they all sign provides for payment to the F4. I can pull the actual contract language if it's in doubt. What is unusual about this season is that money, beyond food, travel, and lodging, was offered to others not in the F4, because they needed a more interesting cast of "characters." In my opinion, the money was not well spent.
Odds and ends:
ReplyDeleteThere are many people who know this story but nobody wants to go on the board with it - so I'm going to post it and take the heat.....not because I dislike Ed, he is irrelevant to me, but because it is true and revealing.
Ed used to hang out at a certain karaoke bar but was banned a few weeks ago, and has found new watering holes.
He was drunk one night and urinated on the sidewalk out front. The manager suggested that it was not cool and Ed became verbally abusive. Ed was invited not to return, ever. That's what happened.
The critics can call it "character assassination" or "salacious rumor" or whatever broken record responses they have, but add it to the other ten or twelve gross stories we know about Ed and draw you own conclusions about him. I haven't heard one similar tale about Kip or Reid or Jake or Michael or Tanner or............
Ed is a loser.
Here is what I was told about Ed's conversation with Jillian about the "old girlfriends." Please forgive me if I repeat some ancient news but this has to be understood in context.
Ed went back to Chicago to take care of personal business. He stayed with a couple of girls who thought they were an item. He got busted and it blew up while he was in Spain. He was allowed to communicate with them to calm things down while the show was still being filmed. They broke up. But that only solved part of the problem.
There was still a danger of Jillian finding out, so Ed raised the issue with Jillian in Hawaii - a preemptive strike. In no way did he tell her everything, only that he'd been seeing some girls in Chicago but they were broken up. He was now all about her. If the issue ever came up again, he could say, "but I told you about that..." Well handled, ABC.
The contracts:
ReplyDeleteThis nugget caught my eye, a propos this season and last. ETA: bolding added for emphasis.
"I understand that the Series is an unscripted and/or
reality series that may involve the element of surprise. I have been informed
and understand that I should be prepared for anything, at any time during the
production of the Series and that the Series may involve 'twists' and that
that Producer may make misrepresentations intentionally or unintentionally
concerning the Series and/or any element or aspect of the Series. Said
misrepresentations may be made by, without limitation, Producer, Host, other
Series Participants, Producer’s affiliates and/or other parties connected to
the show. Being so informed, I voluntarily agree to participate in the Series."
I believe that Reid and some others (Wes, Ed, Kip, Tanner, Jake) had side deals that involved extra consideration for their "unique" participation. This was separate from the boilerplate contract that everyone had to sign to get to first base (what we have now seen).
So I think when Reid says that he involved a lawyer, he is talking about when they got down to the issue of compensation (not specified in this contract) and what his participation would be.
But the basic "signing your life away" contract we are looking at is not negotiable.
Here are the highlights:
* Paid $10k for the “exclusive” to keep quiet.
* Option to appear on other shows, they are guaranteed a fee
* If they make it to the final four, they are paid extra.
* They are explicitly told they are filmed 24/7, they could be embarrassed, edited in a negative light, etc.
Highlights Part Two:
* If they appear on Extra TV as a host, they can be paid $150k per year.
* ABC hold the “exclusive for two years if they final contestants get married. This means they can’t sell photo deals to People, US Magazine, etc. Also, they will be paid a compensation fee if they get married on TV.
* They have a non disclosure agreement and can be sued for up to $5 million dollars if they disclose ABC secrets, go on unapproved interviews, etc. etc.
* If lawsuit goes to arbitration, ABC is guaranteed $250k
There is a separate confidentiality agreement, which I haven't had time to read yet, but the Participant's Agreement has several new provisions on confidentiality which the agreement says mirror the Confidentiality Agreement.
Briefly, because I'm late to a meeting (very sorry):
* From the time of you leave filming until airing of the final episode, no contact of any kind with other participants (kinda makes you wonder how Jason & Molly kept in contact)
* No disclosure of anything that occurs during filming, or the final outcome (1 year from date the final episode airs) - references that $5 million penalty again here, which is widely ignored
* Will not disclose for 2 years the details of any relationship developed on the show
* May not date anyone outside the show from the date the contract was signed until 2 weeks after the final episode is aired (carry over from 2002 contract)
Hope this helps....thanks.
The ring:
ReplyDeleteThe ring belongs to the network for 2 years after the final episode and they can take it back at any time (the "Shayne Lamas clause"). After that, this gift technically belongs to the recipient but even then they have to give notice if they intend to sell it.
Again, these contracts are signed very early in the process when the participants have no bargaining power - they are just hoping for an interview - so the amount of compensation in any form is extremely low.
ABC is not stupid. For example Trista and Ryan got a million dollars for having their wedding filmed (and now have the nicest home of any fireman in Colorado), but the new contract gives ABC exclusive rights to film the wedding for $10,000 (the "Trista/Ryan clause")
There's also the "Graham clause" which says you may leave the show but must do it on camera.
I guess after this season we will have a "no peeing in front of karaoke bars" clause, a "no claiming you loved the rodeo in Spain" clause, and a "no man wearing a swimsuit fitted for the Bachelorette" clause.
Reid???
ReplyDeleteOriginally Posted by sdl
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Here's what I've heard. I need to be careful in part because some of this is pretty specific.
Ed has been asked if he's really getting married. His response was something to the effect of "It's a game show. Don't worry about it." (translation: not really).
Reid was manipulated to the max, told that Jillian thought she had made a huge mistake, missed him and wanted him back, the whole bit. Kind of what they did to Jeremy only more humiliating.
Both Ed and Reid were well paid, roughly 3x the scale for what F4's are usually paid for their time on the show.
Originally Posted by lisamill36 (a friend of Reid's or a source very close to his family...she occasionally posted at FORT about Reid's position in the show and was always correct)
[Reid]Wasnt paid to act, wasnt compensated, and doesnt think he was humiliated. I think in everyones mind they think this show hurts people more than it actually does because of maybe a few people who have gone through this.
After reading this, I can say that unless someone steals this ship from Fleiss's hands, I feel 99% certain that I will not watch it again.
ReplyDeleteThanks Leen for taking the time to post all of that. Sorry I wussed out and went to bed and left you to do the dirty work. :)
ReplyDeleteSo, let's take what we've learned from this and apply it to Jason's season. I wasn't on the boards then so I don't have the behind-the-scenes info on that season that I feel that I've picked up this season, so this may have already been discussed somewhere and/or many of you may have "inside" information that will prove or disprove my theory.
I was thankfully naive and pleasantly unaware of the level of editing that occurs last season when I watched. But, even as a newbie, I thought Deanna's return was contrived, especially after seeing Jason's reaction to letting Molly go. So, I was neither surprised, nor upset when Jason let Melissa go and chose Molly. Frankly, there was something about Melissa that I didn't like all season . . . similar to Ed in a lot of ways in that she always said the "right" things, but there was something in her eyes that I didn't trust.
After reading the above, here's what I think went down. For whatever reason, ABC wanted Jason to choose Melissa. They became increasingly concerned that that's not where it was headed and brought Deanna in to give Jason the "I made a mistake. Don't make the same one. Go with the safe choice, not the exciting one." speech. I think and thought at the time that Deanna's timing was suspect and I never thought that she came back out of the goodness of her heart to help a friend in need. I truly believe it was ABC trying to steer Jason to Melissa.
It worked for a time though many of us didn't believe it based on what we saw when Jason let Molly go. But, what does ABC have to lose for that kind of manipulation? Nothing really because Jason and Molly became the lightning rods for the ire when he changed his mind and their beloved Melissa became America's Sweetheart. I think the DWTS and GMA deals Melissa received were part of her payout for not ending up with Jason in the end. I truly believe she changed after filming wrapped the the real Melissa showed up. I also believe that she is nothing like what we've seen on tv and that's why Jason ended it. Though, he has been gentlemanly and intelligent enough not to go there by releasing any details about Melissa that would perhaps spare him some of the press he's gotten and shift some of the responsibility to her. I give Jason a tremendous amount of credit for taking the heat because I'm sure it hasn't been easy.
So, take what we've learned and apply it to Jillian and Ed. If things had played out with girlfriendgate without ABC's involvement coming to light, Ed would've looked like the bad guy (a la Jason) and ABC would've saved face. If that's the case, Jillian becomes the next America's sweetheart for having suffered pain at the hands of a lying cheat.
I think ABC knew that they may not be able to pull off that trick again without getting some egg on their face, so they reached out to Reid and convinced him to come back in the hopes that the connection between Reid and Jillian was the real one. Had she picked Reid in the end, the Ed stuff wouldn't be as important even if it did come out because Jillian would've dodged that bullet. But, that didn't pan out and she went with Ed anyway. No there was no way to stop the train . . . a train that has left several casualties in it's wake: Wes, Reid, and now it seems perhaps Jillian.
A tremendously disgusting manipulation of people's emotions, if you ask me. Like Leen, at this point, I feel like I may not watch again.
P.S. Sorry for the typos in the above post. I missed them and now I don't know how to go back and edit.
ReplyDeleteKelly
Leen - thanks for sharing - lots of fodder to digest. I have to admit of all the things that were said in my heart the one that bothers me the most is the suspected manipulation of Reid - that one is horrible. The stuff about Ed if its true crap well that's Jillian's problem and as I have always said what doesn't kill us makes us stronger and for both her and Reid this would be real life lesson stuff.
ReplyDeleteKelly - you nailed it and like you and Leen, do I want to watch this again - no. I wanted to stop after Jason's season. I was only drawn in because it was Jillian. But that said thank goodness otherwise I wouldn't have met this wonderful group (things for a reason time again).
I would dearly love to take my friends here and keep them forever and let Fleiss and his minions ride off into the sunset without me watching ever again. I admit if the Bachelor is Reid I will be sucked in - only because he is so endearing and if they let his personality loose it would be a season of great dry humour.
Note to Reid -- SAY NO!!!!
Thanks, Leen and Kelly/Luv,
ReplyDeleteI've always suspected quite a lot of manipulation from handlers and producers,(hence my use and perhaps coining of the phrase "being Fleissed") but to see it all laid out like that is simply revolting.
Fleiss and his gang are, then, just making a mockery out of love.
The only 2 things I can't reconcile are:
1. Jillian's emotions at every turn seemed real. Was she the dupe? Did any bachelor, in fact, have deep feelings for her? I've never thought Ed did, but I did feel them from Reid. I also felt them from Michael. I also thought that in the post-show interviews, all the men spoke admiringly of Jill.
2. If the producers were hoping that Jill would pick Reid at the eleventh hour, then why did Chris Harrison talk her out of it?
Even though the producers are more calculating and sly than I even thought possible, I know that some of the feelings, the awkwardness, the anquish and the tears (Jillian's) I saw on the show must have been real. These are not professional actors and I think I could have spotted fakery in the emotional department (I spotted Ed's a long while back).
So my conclusion is that, while most of this appears manipulated, a small portion of it is real.
I'll just have to cling to that.
I know that if I do continue to watch this show (and I will, if Reid allows himself to become the next bachelor -- although I now hope he doesn't), I will only watch it for clues of manipulation. I will not let myself get invested in any kind of love story unless one inadvertently develops for real (and the producers would be idiots to manipulate THAT).
M.
oops -- anguish, not anquish!!!
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know how to edit missives once posted (short of erasing them and reposting)?
Thanks,
M.
Marianna-
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure, but I think you can't edit once you've posted the comment. You can delete the whole comment after you've copied it and then post a new one with corrections.
Right now, with the site under review, the preview button doesn't work. I wouldn't worry about simple typos...they really bug me in my own writing, but I think we can all figure out each other's meanings.
I am now typing every long comment in Word, so I can fix it before copying and pasting. That way I'm sure I don't lose it as well.
Sorry, I know that's not much help, but later when I learn how to do CCS code (like HTML, but specially for blogs) I should be able to tinker with some of these features. There are also gadgets available for a small price, that will improve usability, that I will add within a month or less. And before year's end, I hope to shift the format to a 3 or 4 column page, where individual topic types can have their own column, like in a newspaper.
Hope you're doing well, dear sister. I will send you an email later today about summer plans.
Hugs,
Nadya
Marianna,
ReplyDeleteI share the questions you have. I've given it some thought and I belive the following.
1. Jillian was unaware of everything that was going on. I think she is one who routinely wears blinders - let's think about how easily she ignored all the warning signs about Wes and Ed - so she would be easily manipulated into believing anything the producers told her.
2. I think Reid had/has genuine feelings for Jillian. I've watched it a couple of times and I did not see Chris direct Jillian toward Ed. I saw Chris suggest that Jillian follow her instincts. As he said in his blog, he believed that Jillian was going to take Reid back at first. His questions were open-ended for the most part to allow her to fill in the blanks. Perhaps he thought she was going to pick Reid and once that's not the path she was headed down, he couldn't switch gears. Or, maybe ABC figured either way they win because people keep talkng about the show, but their preferred ending would not have been Ed in the end. That's how I viewed Chris' pep talk anyway.
Just my thoughts . . . by now means are they scientific or based in fact. I'm just relying on what I saw and felt. I would agree that there is manipulation and that some of it is real, Marianna. The problem I have with the show is that innocent people get hurt and I don't find that entertaining. I envy you for being able to view it objectively. Maybe if I get a couple of months perspective on it, I will be too, but right now I'm a little raw about how this played out . . . especially for Reid.
Hey, friends,
ReplyDeleteI wrote a rather detailed blog in response but hadn't signed into the site to post. I lost it :(
One quick note: I'm going to delete the "insider posts" sometime on Tuesday. I don't want to dirty up the blog with nasties. I did, however, want everyone to consider the new information and draw their own conclusions.
Honestly, like with good friends, I'd become so invested this season in the analysis and Rilly's "love" that I just feel betrayed. No one's fault but my own. Back to reality. :)
Boy, I don't know what to think about any of this! I hesitate to begin speculating at this point. There has been a bizarre mix of manipulation and possible deception at all levels among parties acting at odds with one another. It feels like medieval court intrigue. I think I'll just wait and see what else comes to light. If any of this is true (which seems likely), large numbers of reporters and amateur sleuths will dig up the evidence for all of us to see.
ReplyDeleteI also decided last week that I would only watch the next season if Reid is the bachelor and I truly hope that he says no to them.